The Lost World
Not to get on a creationist rant here but isn't it interesting that creationists (thanks John for pointing out something that I didn't know) believe that all dinosaurs were herbivores before the fall of man, explaining away the obvious intent of the sharp teeth that some dinosaurs possessed. Shouldn't it be plainly obvious that sharp teeth are *intended* to rip flesh and that the *design* is for these certain prehistoric animals to be carnivorous?
So what of teeth? Here is an excerpt from a post from Dinosaurs and the Bible:
Herbivores that eat only plants have chewing molars to help them chew food on all sides of the teeth. The supposed sharp teeth of both omnivores and herbivores are found to be smooth, thin, shallow-rooted and blunt, unlike teeth of lions, tigers, jaguars, Tyrannosaurus and Velociraptor, which has teeth that are thick, sharp, rigged, deep-rooted, and long lasting; all the better to strip, bite, and tear raw meat from their prey. The molars the big cats have is known as carnassials. These are a special type of chewing teeth that help animals to get a good grip on the meat, tear it from the bones and chew it. The meat from the prey is raw and difficult to tear so these animals need such teeth not to mention a strong muscular neck to support their jaws and help pull meat from the bones, strong legs for running after prey, eyes that see forward, ears for hearing their prey underground, claws to serve as meat hooks, and huge sense of smell.
And aside from tooth design, there are other attributable things that makes up herbivores and carnivores (via Dinosaurs and the Bible):
There are other ways of telling which animal eats either plants or meat other than looking at their teeth. Plant-eaters have a complex digestive system to help digest plants while meat-eaters have a simpler digestive system for digesting meat.
So why wouldn't you agree with the obvious intention of sharp teeth? What about digestive systems? What about strong jaws as seen in the fossil record? Why would you go out of your way to argue against these points? These are rhetorical questions of course. But when you are trying to fit the facts to your beliefs, this is what happens.
But the irony of this (and yes... above was a setup) is that creationists go out of their way in an effort to disprove the obvious and then have a roundabout way to prove some other point about intelligent design/creationism. Take for instance the classic ID clip regarding the banana and the hand.
So I am to believe that the sharp teeth of some dinosaurs were not meant to do the obvious, such as tear through meat, yet I am to believe that the *shape* of a banana and all of its intricacies explains that it was designed to fit my hand?
I pick up an old microbiology textbook on my shelf that is from the 1970s (one of my father's old textooks) and I say to myself this book probably has many errors regarding the scientific nature and knowledge that is presented on the subject considering what we know now. Thus, I probably should take it with a grain of salt regarding its accuracy. Yet creationists pick up the Bible that is thousands of years old (you know one-third the age of the Earth) and it is sacrosanct. Accuracy is unquestionable?
Ask yourself, what the realm of science knows now and the exponential curve it is on to explain the world around us. And then ask yourself, what science will be able to explain in 10 years, 20 years, 50 years. Will the ID folks be able to keep up in trying to force fit their beliefs? Again. A rhetorical question.
Comments
Creationism is hampered by biblical literalism. Science and faith can coexist and mutually inform one another, but not if either side adopts the same closed approach.
Literalists make non-believers laugh at us.
Basically, if scientists believe only what they can see and creationists believe only what they read in the Bible then both sides will miss the point.
Any "science" that starts from a supernatural premise is hampered by it's own inherent contradiction.
And quite a few believers as well...
Scientists don't "believe" when it comes to science. We "understand" or "know", which are very different from "belief". Believing means that you accept, with or without proof, even in the face of contradiction [1]. Knowing something means that you have witnessed it in action and that the results would have been operator independent [2]. Understanding means that you know the mechanisms by which something happened and, in many cases, can cause it to repeat at will [3].
Many scientists see no problem with religion, per se, merely with some of the more extreme believers [4]. Many are devout Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Muslims, Baha'i, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, or whatever. Unfortunately, the extremes tend to dominate in the discussions, much to the disgust of those of us in the middle.
John
"When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve!"
[1] For example, I personally believe that people are good. This is not a scientific belief, it is a personal bias.
[2] Always excepting the special cases where the operator is part of the experiment, such as psychology, ethnology, or anthropology.
[3] Always excepting those special cases where the mechanisms or the outcome is too subtle (e.g., rain drop paths), too strong (e.g., volcanoes), or too stochastic (e.g., radioactive decay of individual atoms), to be handled that way.
[4] Or, as the bumper sticker puts it, "Dear God, protect me from your supporters!"