The Climate End Game

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I'm still out on making a call as to whether I buy into the 'global warming is killing us' theory just yet, but I certainly do believe that something needs to be done about the growing demand for energy consumption. Nuclear power really should not be an option, considering the fact that carbon emissions from fossil fuel energy production in the United States represents little more than 30% of our carbon emissions. Beyond that, it's arguable that nuclear waste presents a threat far greater and much more immediate than does carbon emission.

On the flip side of that, it seems as though little is really being done to curb the demand for energy in our modern society. I don't necessarily believe that the government should be enforcing carbon taxes and cutting consumer choices on the market, but I do think that something needs to get done. What that 'something' is, however, isn't quite clear yet.
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Surely we are intelligent enough to figure out a way to dispose of nuclear waste. We send satellites up into space constantly, would it not be feasible to transport nuclear material off-planet and then shoot it at the sun? Perhaps the international space station could double as a nuclear waste disposal center. Just tossing around some ideas here.

As to the question of liberals v. conservatives on the environment, we can't escape the fact that energy production uses resources to varying degrees and leaves a mark on the planet. If we begin to focus more on nuclear power you can bet that people will protest it. If we focus on more oil we'll see protests for that. If we mine the moon for helium-3, we'll have picketers for that. And if we do nothing and energy costs continue to rise I'll start protesting myself.
Surely we're intelligent enough to control and secure our borders or to understand the basic tenants of a long-term war against terrorism - but that doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to deal with these things intelligently.

I wouldn't trust our government to slap together a decent peanut butter and jelly sandwich, let alone locate permanent and secure storage for large amounts of nuclear waste.

Surely we are intelligent enough to figure out a way to dispose of nuclear waste. We send satellites up into space constantly, would it not be feasible to transport nuclear material off-planet and then shoot it at the sun? Perhaps the international space station could double as a nuclear waste disposal center. Just tossing around some ideas here.

We as individuals are smart enough. We as a collective society are not. It is that damn NIMBY (and NIYBYE) hitting us. There have been several plans for storing and/or disposing of nuclear waste proposed and even begun; unfortunately, they inevitably run into the folks who want perfect safety [1] without cost [2].

My personal preference is for storing the waste in a site such as Yucca Mountain, where we can get it out if it turns out to be useful [3]. Second place is dumping it into subduction zones, where it gets incorporated into the long-term geochemical cycle (1-10 million years). Firing it into the Sun is doable, but is measurably higher in both risk [4] and protest [5].

John

[1] Which does not and cannot exist.

[2] You know - the same folks that think that steak comes in neat little wrappers in the butcher's shop and don't want to deal with the problems of actually raising and slaughtering the animals.

[3] As all of that aluminum waste did, and much of the steel waste...

[4] Due to the possibility of an accident during launch, which would spread the radioactivity further than Chernobyl ever thought of doing.

[5] Witness the protests during the launch and flight of a mere 72 pounds of plutonium in Cassini.

Surely we're intelligent enough to control and secure our borders or to understand the basic tenants of a long-term war against terrorism - but that doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to deal with these things intelligently.

good point.

[4] Due to the possibility of an accident during launch, which would spread the radioactivity further than Chernobyl ever thought of doing.

I had thought of this, and can't quite think of what we'd do if there was an accident.

I had thought of this, and can't quite think of what we'd do if there was an accident.

It depends on the severity and the extent of the accident. If it were something like Pioneer, then it is an extensive cleanup of high levels of radioactivity in one county. If it were something like Challenger, then it is an enormous cleanup over several countries. If it were something worse, then it could be a world-wide cleanup.

Cassini was flown simply because (A) there was no other way to power the spacecraft, and (B) the shielding outweighed the fuel by a significant factor (and (C) it was a relic of the Cold War). And it only had 72 pounds of plutonium; worst case, all of Cape Canaveral becomes a new Rocky Flats. Flying a few million tons of nuclear waste (including all low-level waste as well) is somewhat more dangerous...

John
I would volunteer to haul space trash. I'm ready for some Nostromo action here.

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