Am I A Neocon?

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I will repeat myself again, you can call me anything, but don't call me a democrat, because them thar' are fighting words. I carried water for George, up and until he went ballistic over the amnesty bill. Since then, I have put the water bucket down and now I am waiting for him to prove to me that he is serious about Iraq and that includes protecting our borders.
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Somebody had a legitimate grievance with neoconservatives and the liberals just picked up the word. It's annoying to be called one when upon reflection I find myself holding some views of the neorealists, some of the neoconservatives, and even some of the paleoconservatives. Sometimes I'm straight up classical realist.

Understanding that the neoconservatives were liberals who rejected liberal thought and pointed out its limitations is key to identifying someone as such, I think.

But "neocons" just sounds so much more spiteful. Excellent post.
I read the article, which didn't tell me anything that I didn't know. I am from the school of thought that subscribes to the adage, "by their deeds so shall ye know them". "The Power of Nightmares" paints quite a different picture of neocon activities, as distinct from espoused ideals. I do find it interesting that so many neocons in the Bush Administration are Jewish, as are the Kristols and the intellectual godfather of the neocons, Leo Strauss. I can't help wondering if this doesn't influence their support for Israel, and the invasion of Iraq.

But the underlying premise seems to be that "What is best for America is best for the world". Quite understandably the rest of the world, apart from a few sycophantic political leaders, does not agree with that. Nor should they.

I can't agree with Snowy regarding the underlying premise being "What is best for America is best for the world". I think that is more true than not. If America ever gets in real trouble, it will be disastrous for the rest of the world. In my humble opinion.
Interesting article by Irving Kristol here. Especially the concluding remarks.

American Jewry will not survive without Israel, and Israel cannot survive without the Jews of the United States.
"The Power of Nightmares" explains the neocon belief that religion must be promoted, even if they don't believe in it. That is why the effort was made to involve Evangelical churches in Republican politics. And why the issues of abortion and gay marriage became so dear to the hearts of Republicans.

You sure you're a neocon, Dox^2? With all due respect, I don't think you are.


While I may disagree with Irving Kristol, I do acknowledge that he is an excellent writer. I think this is probably a better explanation of the rise of neoconservatism. He makes the interesting observation that the Christian Right and the Economic Right are on a collision course in the Republican Party. We are seeing the Religious Right causing ructions here as they infiltrate the Liberal Party (conservative party)
Actually I don't know if you are a Neocon or not, hopefully you are not as it doesn't sound like a nice label - I mean the name doesn't sound friendly.

Quite frankly I don't like labels but I decided to start using them (Neocon, conservative, warmongers) when I was given labels, on reflection I may have to stop labelling people.

I didn't see myself as anything except some one who wanted the best for the world. It wasn't until I came to the land of VOX that I started to be labelled. Since being here I have been labelled an aristocratic intellectual, fanciful liberal, a crazy lefty, an impediment to Western civilisation, an Australian pot-bellied pig, a coward, stupid and a few others that have escaped my memory bank. Actually some may ring a bell with your audience and they may actually be able to fill in the gaps in my memory bank.

Anyway Dox if you truly believe that what you are standing up for is right then wear your labels as a badges of honour, as it is what I have decided to do.

However it would be nice to think that we could all have reasonable discussions without some of the more offensive labels. I have noticed that sometimes we also seem to label others in our arguments to discredit the others argument, for example, "Oh yes but you're a liberal so that explains everything." or "A typical Neocon response." So I just don't see these types of responses as being an effective argumentative tool, as we really should be arguing about the topic not using the label we have given someone to justify our own argument.


I don't really know if I'm a neocon or not. But if liberals see it as a bad thing to be...

I think I'm comfortable with the label.

Its my experience that usually when people start labeling others it means they are loseing a debate and cant find anything more to say wether it be left or right.

ChezzaG pretty well sums up my feelings on the issue also.

"But if liberals see it as a bad thing to be... I think I'm comfortable with the label."

You're okay with it solely because liberals see it as bad? That's good stuff, especially since it directly follows Chezza's astute comment regarding the uselessness of labels. Here we have an entire post on the nature of labels wherein dox^2 puts some serious, rational thought into how to deal with the label of "neoconservative" and you come along and say it's a fine term simply because it's antithetical to liberalism. LOL.

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